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Ellen White did address the sobering reality that some churches can become spiritually dead, though she never stated that entire congregations are predetermined to be lost. Her concern was about churches that lose their spiritual vitality and fail to fulfill their mission. In one particularly strong statement, she described certain churches as being cold and dead at heartwith members who "have no overflowing and subduing influence for good to pour out upon the lost" (21MR 31.4). She noted that whatever may be their numbers, such churches are weakand warned that "the worst of all is that they do not feel the least burden or the least love or sympathy for the souls for whom Christ has given His life" (21MR 31.4). These churches were more concerned with being nursed like sick babiesthan with reaching the lost. However, Ellen White's emphasis was always on individual accountability rather than corporate condemnation. She taught that "the faith of individual members of the church will be tested as though there were not another person in the world" (LDE 260.3). This means that even in a spiritually weak church, individuals who maintain their connection with God can be saved. She also made clear that salvation requires active participation: "No one will be forced into the kingdom of heaven. Those who do not wish to enter show it by their actions" (2SAT 137.1). Additionally, she taught that "there will be no one saved in heaven with a starless crown" (LDE 282.3), meaning everyone who enters heaven will have participated in God's work of saving souls. The real danger isn't that God has written off certain churches, but that members of those churches may become complacent, self-centered, and spiritually dead. The solution is individual revival and reformation, not abandoning hope for any congregation. --- 💡 **You might also want to explore:** • What did Ellen White say about how to revive a spiritually dead church? • How can individual members maintain their spiritual life in a cold church? • What are the characteristics of a church that is fulfilling its mission? --- 📚 **thousands of passages found** containing these search terms — [Explore in Full-Text Search](/advanced-search?q=There+are+some+sda+churches+where+no+one+will+go+to+heaven)

You're absolutely right to highlight this sobering detail from Ellen White's account of Simon the Pharisee and Mary Magdalene. Ellen White explicitly stated that "Simon had led into sin the woman he now despised" (HLv 377.5). This revelation transforms our understanding of the entire encounter at Simon's feast. The hypocrisy of Simon's position becomes starkly clear when we understand his role in Mary's fall. He sat in judgment of her, thinking to himself that if Jesus were truly a prophet, He would know "who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth Him: for she is a sinner" (HLv 377.2). Yet Simon himself bore direct responsibility for her sin. Ellen White emphasized that "she had been deeply wronged by him" (HLv 377.5). Christ's parable of the two debtors took on profound meaning in this context. Jesus used the story to make Simon pronounce sentence upon himself, just as Nathan had done with David. Ellen White explained that "by the two debtors of the parable, Simon and the woman were represented" (HLv 377.5). But the comparison was not equal—Simon's sin was shown to be "tenfold greater than that of the woman, as much greater as the debt of five hundred pence is greater than a debt of fifty pence" (DG 238.2). The man who had wronged this woman, who had led her into sin, now despised her for the very fall he had caused. Yet she had found repentance and forgiveness, while Simon remained blind to his own far greater guilt. Ellen White noted that "Simon now began to see himself in a new light" (DG 238.3) as Christ's words penetrated his self-righteous facade. He realized with shame that "he was in the presence of a being superior to himself" (DG 238.3). This account serves as a powerful warning against the self-deception of those who condemn others for sins they themselves have caused or share. --- 💡 **You might also want to explore:** • What did Ellen White say about the transformation and forgiveness Mary Magdalene experienced? • How did Ellen White describe the danger of self-righteousness in religious leaders? • What counsel did she give about making restitution for wrongs done to others?