Where does Ellen White say that nature is no longer a good revelation of God
Ellen White does not say that nature is no longer a good revelation of God. Instead, she clarifies that, because of sin, nature's testimony is now marred and can be misunderstood or misinterpreted without the guidance of God's Word and the Holy Spirit. Here are some key statements from her writings: - "As soon as the holy pair transgressed the law of the Most High, the brightness from the face of God departed from the face of nature. Nature is now marred and defiled by sin. But God's object-lessons are not obliterated; even now, rightly studied and interpreted, she speaks of her Creator." (SpTEd 59.1; CT 186.1; COL 18.1) - "Sin has obscured his vision, and he cannot of himself interpret nature without placing it above God. Correct lessons cannot impress the minds of those who reject the word of God. The teaching of nature is by them so perverted that it turns the mind away from the Creator." (COL 107.5) - "Apart from Christ we are still incapable of interpreting rightly the language of nature... Of himself he cannot interpret nature without placing it above God." (8T 257) - "The clear and perfect light of innocence which had hitherto surrounded them, had lightened everything which they had approached, but deprived of that heavenly light, the posterity of Adam could no longer trace the character of God in his created works. Therefore, after the fall, nature was not the only teacher of man. In order that the world might not remain in darkness, in eternal, spiritual night, the God of nature must meet man through Jesus Christ." (HL 289.1) In summary, Ellen White teaches that nature still reveals God, but because of sin, its message is obscured and can be misinterpreted. Therefore, nature is not a sufficient or perfect revelation of God on its own; it must be understood in the light of Scripture and through Christ. She does not say that nature is no longer a good revelation, but rather that its testimony is incomplete and can be misunderstood without divine guidance. References: - White, E. G. (1900). Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 18, 107. - White, E. G. (1903). Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, p. 257. - White, E. G. (1923). Counsels to Teachers, Parents, and Students, p. 186. - White, E. G. (1897). Special Testimonies on Education, p. 59. - White, E. G. (1897). Healthful Living, p. 289.
Where does Ellen White speak of the sundering between the Father and the Son
Ellen White speaks of the "sundering" or separation between the Father and the Son most clearly in her descriptions of Christ's suffering in Gethsemane and on the cross. She describes how, because of the burden of sin, Jesus experienced a sense of separation from His Father. Here are some key statements: 1. "Could mortals have viewed the amazement and the sorrow of the angelic host as they watched in silent grief the Father separating His beams of light, love, and glory from the beloved Son of His bosom, they would better understand how offensive sin is in His sight. The sword of justice was now to awake against His dear Son." (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 206) 2. "Christ is dying! He is in despair! His Father's approving smile is removed, and angels are not permitted to lighten the gloom of the terrible hour. ... It was the hiding of His Father's face—a sense that His own dear Father had forsaken Him—which brought despair. The separation that sin makes between God and man was fully realized and keenly felt by the innocent, suffering Man of Calvary." (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, pp. 209, 214) 3. "He felt that by sin He was being separated from the Father. The gulf between them appeared so broad, so black, so deep, that He shuddered before it." (The Story of Jesus, p. 102) 4. "He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal. Christ felt the anguish which the sinner will feel when mercy shall no longer plead for the guilty race. It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father's wrath upon Him as man's substitute, that made the cup He drank so bitter, and broke the heart of the Son of God." (The Desire of Ages, p. 753) 5. "As he felt his unity with the Father broken up, he feared that his human nature would be unable to endure the coming conflict with the prince of the power of darkness; and in that case the human race would be irrecoverably lost, Satan would be victor, and the earth would be his kingdom." (The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 3, p. 95) These statements show that Ellen White describes a real, deeply felt separation between the Father and the Son during Christ's atoning sacrifice, caused by the burden of sin. This "sundering" is not a permanent break in their relationship, but a temporary, agonizing experience as Christ bore the sins of the world. References: - White, E. G. (1871). Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, pp. 206, 209, 214. - White, E. G. (1896). The Story of Jesus, p. 102. - White, E. G. (1898). The Desire of Ages, p. 753. - White, E. G. (1878). The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 3, p. 95.
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