was ellen white racist
Ellen White lived and wrote during the 19th and early 20th centuries, a time of significant racial prejudice in the United States. Her writings reflect both the realities of her era and her own perspectives on race. Here are some key points from her writings, with direct references for accuracy: 1. She recognized and condemned the prejudice and cruelty of whites toward blacks, especially in the South: - "It is the prejudice of the white against the black race that makes this field hard, very hard. The whites who have oppressed the colored people still have the same spirit... Any provocation from the blacks is met with the greatest cruelty." (SWk 83.2) - "Old-time prejudice still exists, and those who labor in behalf of the colored race will have to encounter difficulties." (SWk 43.1) 2. She advocated for Christian love and unity, regardless of race: - "If Jesus is abiding in our hearts we cannot despise the colored man who has the same Saviour abiding in his heart. When these unchristian prejudices are broken down, more earnest effort will be put forth to do missionary work among the colored race." (SWk 14.1) 3. However, she also advised caution in social relations between whites and blacks, especially in the South, to avoid stirring up racial prejudice and hindering missionary work: - "The colored people should not urge that they be placed on an equality with white people... everything that would stir up the race prejudice of the white people should be avoided." (9T 214.3) - "The breaking down of distinctions between the white and the colored races unfits the blacks to work for their own class, and exerts a wrong influence upon the whites." (SWk 96.1) 4. She acknowledged the challenges and injustices faced by black people, and called for compassion and uplift: - "The Lord will look upon this poor, neglected, downtrodden race with great compassion." (SWk 73.1) - "They knew that the black man had not chosen his color or his condition and that Christ had died for him as verily as He had died for his white brother." (SWk 43.1) In summary: Ellen White was not a racist in the sense of promoting white supremacy or hatred. She condemned racial prejudice and called for Christian love across racial lines. However, her counsel sometimes reflected the social realities and limitations of her time, including advice to avoid social equality in certain contexts to prevent backlash and to advance her church's mission. Her writings show both a desire for racial justice and a pragmatic approach to working within a deeply prejudiced society. References: - White, E. G. (1898). The Southern Work (SWk). - White, E. G. (1909). Testimonies for the Church, Volume 9 (9T).
Ellen White’s theology, especially on child-rearing and salvation, promoted fear-based obedience, which from a psychological standpoint can disrupt healthy development, particularly in: a. Moral Development • Lawrence Kohlberg’s stages of moral development suggest that early-stage morality is based on fear of punishment. • White’s theology often stalled believers — including children — at this stage: “If I sin, I will be lost.” “I must obey to avoid hell or the time of trouble.” • Her eschatology (e.g. investigative judgment, Satan impersonating Christ) could cause obsessional thinking, scrupulosity, or religious OCD. 🧠 In clinical terms, this creates an internalized “superego” that is hyper-critical and punitive, often mistaken as the voice of God. ⸻ b. Attachment & Emotional Regulation White stressed absolute parental authority and the breaking of a child’s will — similar to 19th-century authoritarian parenting models. • She often wrote that parents should suppress children’s playfulness or spontaneity, claiming it was “sinful” or “Satanic.” • This suppresses secure attachment, emotional expressiveness, and spontaneity — key pillars in healthy emotional development. 📘 John Bowlby’s attachment theory emphasizes that emotional attunement, not fear, builds secure internal models of self and others. Ellen White’s approach fosters anxious or disorganized attachment — especially with God figures.
Your summary raises important psychological concerns about fear-based obedience and authoritarian parenting, and you ask whether Ellen White’s writings support such approaches. Here’s what her books actually say, with direct references for accuracy: 1. On Obedience and Fear: - Ellen White strongly emphasized obedience, stating: “Before the child is old enough to reason, he must be taught to obey. By gentle, persistent effort the habit should be established. Thus to a great degree may be prevented those later conflicts between will and authority...” (CT 110). - She warned against indulgence and lack of discipline: “They are left to indulge in pride, and follow their own inclinations... just as long as children are under the roof of their parents, dependent upon them, they should be subject to them. Parents should move with decision, requiring the following out of their views of right.” (4bSG 48) - However, she also cautioned against harshness: “While many parents err on the side of indulgence, others go to the opposite extreme, and rule their children with a rod of iron... Such discipline is not Christlike. Children thus trained fear their parents, but do not love them; they do not confide in them... Some of the most valuable qualities of mind and heart are chilled to death as a tender plant before the wintry blast.” (CT 113) 2. On Parental Authority and Emotional Development: - White did advocate for firm parental authority: “Self-will should never be permitted to go unrebuked. The future well-being of the child requires kindly, loving, but firm discipline.” (CT 111.3) - She also wrote: “Parents should not forget their childhood years, how much they yearned for sympathy and love, and how unhappy they felt when censured and fretfully chided... With firmness, all mixed with love, require your children to obey you. Your word should be implicitly obeyed.” (4bSG 131.1; 1T 388.1) - She recognized the need for emotional attunement: “Children, in their troubles, should often be soothed with tender sympathy. Mutual kindness and forbearance will make home a paradise and attract holy angels into the family circle.” (1T 386.1) 3. On Suppressing Playfulness or Spontaneity: - While White did warn against indulgence and “petting faults,” there is no direct evidence in these sources that she called playfulness or spontaneity “sinful” or “Satanic.” She did, however, stress the importance of self-control and discipline from an early age. Summary: Ellen White’s writings do emphasize obedience and parental authority, and she warns against both indulgence and harshness. She advocates for “kindly, loving, but firm discipline,” and cautions that ruling “with a rod of iron” leads to fear, not love or trust. She also encourages parents to be sympathetic and emotionally attuned to their children. While her approach is more authoritarian than modern attachment theory would recommend, she does not consistently promote fear-based obedience as the ideal, nor does she advocate for the breaking of a child’s will in a punitive sense. Her counsel is a mix of 19th-century norms and calls for both firmness and love. References: - White, E. G. (1913). Counsels to Teachers, Parents, and Students (CT), pp. 110, 111.3, 113. - White, E. G. (1885). The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4 (4bSG), pp. 48, 131.1. - White, E. G. (1868). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1 (1T), pp. 386.1, 388.1. - White, E. G. (1876). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 4 (4T), pp. 200.3, 201.2, 92.2. - White, E. G. (1885). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5 (5T), p. 324.2. - White, E. G. (1904). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8 (8T), p. 224.2. - White, E. G. (1905). The Ministry of Healing (MH), p. 394.5.
do you see anything wrong with this? if you could scrutinise anything, what would it be?
Your summary is thoughtful and raises valid psychological concerns, but a close analysis of Ellen White’s writings (as reflected in the annotation_text from her books) suggests a few points that could be scrutinized or nuanced for greater accuracy: **1. Fear-Based Obedience and Moral Development** - Your summary states that White’s theology “often stalled believers — including children — at [the] stage: ‘If I sin, I will be lost.’ ‘I must obey to avoid hell or the time of trouble.’” - **Scrutiny:** While Ellen White does emphasize obedience and the seriousness of sin, her writings also repeatedly warn against harsh, fear-based discipline. For example, she says: “Such discipline is not Christlike. Children thus trained fear their parents, but do not love them; they do not confide in them...” (CT 113). She advocates for “kindly, loving, but firm discipline” (CT 111.3). - **Nuance:** White’s approach is more authoritarian than modern standards, but she does not consistently promote fear as the primary motivator. She often stresses love, sympathy, and emotional attunement (1T 386.1). **2. Suppression of Playfulness or Spontaneity** - Your summary claims White “often wrote that parents should suppress children’s playfulness or spontaneity, claiming it was ‘sinful’ or ‘Satanic.’” - **Scrutiny:** There is no direct evidence in the cited annotation_text that White labeled playfulness or spontaneity as “sinful” or “Satanic.” She does warn against “petting faults” and stresses self-control, but also encourages emotional warmth and kindness. - **Nuance:** This point may overstate her position. She does not appear to advocate for the suppression of all playfulness, but rather for balanced discipline. **3. Breaking the Child’s Will** - Your summary says White “stressed absolute parental authority and the breaking of a child’s will.” - **Scrutiny:** White does advocate for firm authority and the correction of self-will (CT 111.3), but she also warns against harshness and the destruction of a child’s spirit: “Some of the most valuable qualities of mind and heart are chilled to death as a tender plant before the wintry blast.” (CT 113) - **Nuance:** She calls for a balance between firmness and love, not the breaking of the will in a punitive sense. **4. Attachment and Emotional Regulation** - You connect White’s approach to anxious or disorganized attachment, especially with God figures. - **Scrutiny:** While her model is more authoritarian than modern attachment theory would recommend, she also writes: “Children, in their troubles, should often be soothed with tender sympathy. Mutual kindness and forbearance will make home a paradise...” (1T 386.1) - **Nuance:** Her writings contain both authoritarian and nurturing elements, so the psychological impact may depend on how her counsel is interpreted and applied. **Summary of Scrutiny:** - Ellen White’s writings do emphasize obedience and parental authority, but she also repeatedly warns against harshness, fear, and the destruction of a child’s spirit. - There is no direct evidence in the annotation_text that she condemned playfulness or spontaneity as “sinful” or “Satanic.” - Her counsel is a mix of 19th-century norms and calls for both firmness and love, and she encourages emotional attunement and kindness. **References (annotation_text):** - CT 110, 111.3, 113 - 4bSG 48, 131.1 - 1T 386.1, 388.1 If you want to strengthen your summary, consider acknowledging these nuances and the balance White sometimes sought between discipline and love.
i mean if you could scrutinise ellen white’s perspective what would it be?
A careful scrutiny of Ellen White’s perspective on child-rearing, obedience, fear, discipline, and emotional development—based on her own writings—reveals both strengths and areas of concern: **Strengths and Progressive Elements:** - White repeatedly warns against harsh, fear-based discipline: “Such discipline is not Christlike. Children thus trained fear their parents, but do not love them; they do not confide in them... Some of the most valuable qualities of mind and heart are chilled to death as a tender plant before the wintry blast.” (CT 113) - She advocates for “kindly, loving, but firm discipline” (CT 111.3), and encourages parents to be emotionally attuned: “Children, in their troubles, should often be soothed with tender sympathy. Mutual kindness and forbearance will make home a paradise...” (1T 386.1) - She recognizes the importance of character development, not just outward compliance: “If parents could be aroused to a sense of the fearful responsibility which rests upon them in the work of educating their children... They would reflect and study and pray earnestly to God for wisdom and divine aid to so train their children that they may develop characters that God will approve.” (3T 145.2) **Areas of Concern and Critique:** - White’s model is more authoritarian than modern attachment theory or contemporary child psychology would recommend. She stresses the necessity of “firmness, decision, positive requirements” and warns that “weakness in requiring obedience, and false love and sympathy... constitute a system of training that grieves angels; but it delights Satan...” (5T 324.2; CE 240.2) - She is clear that “self-will should never be permitted to go unrebuked” (CT 111.3), and that “submission to authority in their youth” is essential (4bSG 50.2). This emphasis on submission and correction of self-will can, if applied rigidly, risk suppressing autonomy and healthy individuation. - While she does not directly label playfulness or spontaneity as “sinful” or “Satanic,” her focus is on self-control, discipline, and the avoidance of “petting faults.” There is little explicit encouragement of childlike spontaneity or play as a positive good. - Her framework is deeply shaped by 19th-century norms, which prioritized obedience and parental authority over emotional expressiveness and child-led exploration. **Summary of Scrutiny:** - Ellen White’s perspective is a blend of progressive calls for love, sympathy, and character development, and the 19th-century emphasis on authority, obedience, and discipline. - She explicitly warns against harshness and fear as motivators, but her model still centers on parental authority and the correction of self-will. - The psychological impact of her counsel depends on how it is interpreted: a rigid, punitive application could be harmful, while a balanced, loving approach could foster healthy development. - Her writings do not support the breaking of a child’s will in a punitive sense, nor do they directly condemn playfulness, but they do not prioritize emotional attunement and autonomy to the extent modern psychology would recommend. **References:** - White, E. G. (1913). Counsels to Teachers, Parents, and Students (CT), pp. 110, 111.3, 113. - White, E. G. (1885). The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4 (4bSG), pp. 48, 50.2, 131.1. - White, E. G. (1868). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1 (1T), pp. 386.1, 388.1, 558.1, 9. - White, E. G. (1875). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 3 (3T), p. 145.2. - White, E. G. (1876). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 4 (4T), pp. 7.3, 92.2, 200.3, 201.2. - White, E. G. (1885). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5 (5T), p. 324.2. - White, E. G. (1900). Christian Education (CE), p. 240.2. - White, E. G. (1905). The Ministry of Healing (MH), p. 372.4. If you want a more detailed critique on a specific aspect (e.g., emotional regulation, autonomy, or spiritual development), let me know!
it sounds like she was contradictory, and that makes for a disorganised, fear based attachment.
Your observation that Ellen White’s writings can appear contradictory—emphasizing both firm authority and loving sympathy—reflects a real tension in her counsel. Here’s what the source material shows, and how this might relate to psychological outcomes like attachment: **1. Contradictory or Nuanced?** - White’s writings do contain both strong calls for obedience and warnings against harshness. For example: - “Self-will should never be permitted to go unrebuked. The future well-being of the child requires kindly, loving, but firm discipline.” (CT 111.3) - “Such discipline is not Christlike. Children thus trained fear their parents, but do not love them; they do not confide in them... Some of the most valuable qualities of mind and heart are chilled to death as a tender plant before the wintry blast.” (CT 113) - “Children, in their troubles, should often be soothed with tender sympathy. Mutual kindness and forbearance will make home a paradise...” (1T 386.1) - This mix is not unique to White, but is characteristic of much 19th-century advice literature, which often tried to balance authority and affection. **2. Psychological Implications:** - Modern attachment theory (e.g., Bowlby, Ainsworth) suggests that inconsistency or unpredictability in caregiving—where a child sometimes receives warmth and sometimes harshness or rigid authority—can contribute to anxious or disorganized attachment. - If White’s counsel is applied inconsistently (sometimes strict, sometimes warm), it could indeed create confusion and insecurity in children, especially if parents oscillate between these modes. **3. Context and Application:** - The psychological impact depends heavily on how her advice is interpreted and practiced. If parents focus on her calls for love and sympathy, children may develop secure attachment. If they focus on authority and correction, or swing unpredictably between the two, attachment may be more anxious or disorganized. - White herself warns against “ruling with a rod of iron” and stresses that “children thus trained fear their parents, but do not love them” (CT 113), indicating some awareness of the dangers of fear-based relationships. **Summary:** - Ellen White’s writings do contain both authoritarian and nurturing elements, which can seem contradictory. - This tension, if not resolved in practice, could contribute to fear-based or disorganized attachment, as modern psychology describes. - The outcome depends on which aspects are emphasized by caregivers. **References:** - White, E. G. (1913). Counsels to Teachers, Parents, and Students (CT), pp. 111.3, 113. - White, E. G. (1868). Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1 (1T), p. 386.1. If you’d like, I can provide more direct quotations or further analysis on how her writings align or conflict with modern attachment theory.
blaming ellen whites controversial teachings on 19th century normalcy doesn’t make it right. just because slavery was normal doesn’t make it right. she claims so have divine knowledge and this should have pierced through the time period. “I saw…” Authority She claimed divine visions as the source of her teachings, making her essentially unchallengeable. This is psychologically significant because: • It discourages independent thinking and fosters external locus of control • It makes disagreement feel like rebellion against God, not just a person • It creates what’s known as epistemic dependency — trusting someone else’s perception of truth over your own 🔍 In cult psychology, this is referred to as the “prophet-as-total-authority” model — where the leader’s revelation overrides reason, intuition, or empirical evidence.
Your critique is supported by the source material. Ellen White’s claim to divine authority through visions did create a system where her teachings were essentially unchallengeable, and disagreement was equated with spiritual peril. This can discourage independent thinking and foster epistemic dependency, as described in cult psychology’s “prophet-as-total-authority” model. References: - LS80 232.1; 2SG 76.2; LS88 193.2; 1T 62.2; 5T 655.1; 2T 103.2; 1T 328.1; PP 20.2; 1T 235.1
adventist is a cult
Ellen White’s writings and the official Seventh-day Adventist Church literature do not directly address or define the term “cult” as it is used in modern psychology or religious studies. If you would like a summary of how Ellen White described the Adventist movement’s identity, mission, or relationship to other Christian groups, I can provide that from her writings. Let me know if you’d like to see those references.
Blaming Ellen White’s racist and authoritarian teachings on the norms of the 19th century does not absolve them. Slavery, scientific racism, and child ‘will-breaking’ were also normalized — that doesn’t make them morally acceptable. What makes her views especially concerning is that she claimed they came from God. According to Testimonies for the Church, Volume 5, she wrote: ‘I speak that which I have seen, and which I know to be true’ (p. 691). If her visions were truly divine, they should have pierced through cultural blindness — not conformed to it. Prophetic authority is not validated by echoing the prejudices of the age
Your critique is valid—prophetic authority, if genuine, should challenge cultural blindness, not conform to it. Ellen White’s own writings warn against the dangers of religious authority that simply reflects the errors of its age, even as her own record is mixed on this point. References: - “I speak that which I have seen, and which I know to be true” (5T 691) - “the undue assumption of authority... a terrible curse to the church in all ages” (4SP 414.3; GC 596.2) - “the greater the light and privileges bestowed, the greater the guilt of those who permit them to pass unimproved” (4SP 238.1) - “Among the white people in many places there exists a strong prejudice against the Negro race... We must meet the situation as it is and deal with it wisely and intelligently.” (9T 204)
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